209 vs 209m 209 primer 1180 fps @ 9,200 psi [Included for comparision purposes. discreet data). & 1-1/8 oz. Jan 25, 2013 · Cheddite 209 vs Win. I don't remember anything about the old Federal 209 being regarded as a Magnum primer. Use at your own discretion, but backing off 1/2 to 1 grain on your powder charge, to start off with, and chronographing you load may not be a bad place to start. 4 GRs. However, they have published loads for the standard 209 primers. The 209 is hotter. Except that we know that "1330" isn't always 1330 (dram equivalent target vs. Feb 18, 2011 · I'll second blkclouds answer, plus you can find data for CCIs easier. 209A, but got about 378 CCI 209m leftover from the nineties. 2 gr Clays 1180 f/s 8300 LUP Fed 209A 16. Jul 11, 2022 · I have found loads with the components I have for a CCI209M but not the standard CCI209. All of the research I’ve done tells me the standard 209 is a cooler primer. Jun 13, 2010 · Be sure you understand the difference between CCI 209 and CCI 209M primers. I really like it and am putting a Shimano Trevala Medium jigging rod on it. 5 grs of Red Dot to get 1200 f/s; with Rem 209P and Win 209 it takes 19 gr RD to get 1200 f/s. S. I got 3 types: Federal 209A, CCI In-line 209 Muzzleloader primers, and Cheddite 209 shotshell primers. Mar 1, 2017 · What is the harm if I use CCI 209 primers instead of Win 209 like the reload data calls for. Jason 209 vs 209M? 209 vs 209M? Started by dogdad1, March 03, 2014, 11:57:36 AM. Velocity will probably be lower with either of these, since as stated above the Fed 209a is hotter. I have been reloading 2 published loads that have served me well: Win 209 / 1 oz / cb 1100 wad / 17 gains 700X / 1200 fps / 8200 psi. Just make sure WHICH CCI they sent you as CCI sells 3 different ones--an SC & a std 209 & a 209M and there is a difference in chamber pressures generated so if you are close to the high end the 209M could put you over the recommended pressures. 0 grains Alliant 20/28 Powder 3/4 oz. Oct 31, 2011 · I was curious about the exact difference between the Fed 209 and the Fed 209A so I emailed Federal Customer Service. I have the metal spool but the model on the sideplate says 209. I plan to use preformed pellets, probably 777 (for now. I would suggest calling Hodgdon and speak with a tech. Feb 12, 2021 · Perch, you never gave us much info, what powder etc. ] 1-1/8 ounces shot 17. Many examples lie at your fingertips. We're given nothing showing the pressure or velocity spread. The data books seem to indicate that substituting a CCI 209m for a Fed 209A (though not the other way around) is a reasonable and might be a safe substitution. But you definitely shouldn't use a Fed 209A as a replacement for a CCI209M. Red Dot WAA12 (white) wad Win. Mag. Apr 24, 2005 · I see what you're talking about; it's on Remington's web site. The CCI 209M ("M" is for "Magnum") is a much hotter primer than the regular CCI 209. Jun 25, 2010 · CCI 209 vs CCI 209M Primer. The Rem 209 sts, Federal 209 and CCI 209s generaly are, but still take up the same amount of room between them on the chart. Except it's a 209M. I called Hodgdon and spoke with one of the tech guys and he said to use the next bushing down in my MEC 9000GN when loading CLAYS powder. 209 Sep 15, 2013 · Kinda sorta. 209 Primers Jump to Latest 26K views 69 replies 35 participants last post by topcat 12g Nov 14, 2013 Jul 22, 2007 · My experience with CCI 209 is with Red Dot powder and Rem STS hulls. P. A while back I was at the store to pick up some handgun primers and also picked up a sleeve of CCI 209 . 9 gr Clays 1180 f/s 9000 psi Can't really compare the psi vs LUP, but it takes less powder to get 1180 f/s, I would say that with Clays powder CCI 209 are a little hotter than Win 209 but milder than Fed 209As. I use CCI primers in all of my brass cartridge reloading. These 209M Shotshell Primers are more sensitive, easier to seat, and more compatible with progressive and automatic loading equipment than ever before. Previous topic - Next topic. I did this without referring any reload Nov 28, 2020 · I contacted them about a load showing only Fed 209a primers (pressure was 8200) and ask if I could substitute a Win 209 or CCI 209M and they responded saying no problem with the primer substitution. Win 209 / 1 1/8 oz / cb 1118 wad / 17. So is it? Nov 3, 2010 · My experience would indicate that Federal 209A will likely be ever so slightly hotter than the CCI209M, but not enough to cause concern. There seems to be not near the number of published loads for the Mar 18, 2005 · In my experience the WW 209 and the Fio 209 are pretty nearly the same, but the Federal 209A is a long ways out. Dec 5, 2021 · I was lucky enough to have someone give me 5000 CCI 209 primers (not 209M). I got a little excited when I did find them. The 209 primers are excellent for standard field and target loads, while the 209M is ideal for heavy waterfowl and turkey loads. Sep 20, 2022 · I'm down to my last 10 Fed. Would substituting the M primer with a standard risk a high pressure or ignition situation. Subsystems Variation Performance Chart In addition to the Federal 209A primer, the CCI 209 Magnum (CCI 209M) is another muzzleloader primer highly recommended for use with Blackhorn 209 by the manufacturer. The CCI™ 209M primers utilize modern, non-corrosive and non-mercuric initiator mixes to ensure a clean burn and absolute ignition. May 19, 2007 · I had the reverse situation, I picked up 209M primers by mistake. 5 gains 700X / 1200 fp 9800 psi. I am not new to reloading both shot shells and metallic. The w209 is considered the hotter of the two primer with the T7 being a little cooler. Except it's a very different load (powder, payload, wad) than a target load. 1200 F. Thread starter WyoHunter1; Start date Mar 11, 2013; Help Support Modern Muzzleloading Forum: 209 is designed for standard field and target loads; Reliable, clean-burning; Fit all modern shotshell cases with 209 primer pocket; 209M is a true magnum shotshell primer for heavy waterfowl and turkey loads Nov 30, 2009 · What is the maximum drag for the 209 Peer made by Penn. I'm hoping that they come through with a recipe. May 29, 2022 · CCI 209 primers are for field and target loads in all gauges. Shouldn't it say 209M? I beleive this reel was made a long time ago, although it is like new. The CCI 209M (Natchez item CC0009) is a true Magnum primer designed for heavy charges of slow-burning propellants. I think May 3, 2017 · I thought it would be worthwhile to me, to really find out just how subbing Cheddite primers in a load that calls for a Winchester 209. For the 1 1/8 oz load Rem Fig 8 wad it takes 19. 209 is designed for standard field and target loads; Reliable, clean-burning; Fit all modern shotshell cases with 209 primer pocket; 209M is a true magnum shotshell primer for heavy waterfowl and turkey loads Feb 4, 2005 · CCI-209 primer 1164 fps @ 6,800 psi 1 ounce shot 17. Red Dot WAA12 (white) wad CCI-209 primer 1130 fps @ 8,500 LUP [Note pressure units change. The 209 is probably still safe to use with less powder since Hodgdon has a load using the CCI 209M (magnum) primer which uses . If you choose to swap primers around send Ben an email and ask just for your sake. Oct 25, 2008 · CCI 209M gave good ignition, but both of these CCI's primers would slide back in the battery cup. That makes the 209M a superb choice for waterfowl loads. Good luck finding either Win 209 or CCI 209M Apr 29, 2007 · Only the CCI 209 Magnum primer came close to matching the outer ring performance of the Winchester 209 primed test loads, but the CCI 209M also suffered a low-density core. Solely for 12ga target loads, I can't think of a bonafide recipe that uses an Fed 209A that you couldn't use a CCI209M. Sep 11, 2021 · Hodgdon recommends 209M for 30-34 grains of Longshot pushing 1-1/8 oz shot to >1400 fps. , Alliant site has 1-oz. Hmmmm!. It is unfortunate that CCI didn't use a significantly different name for their magnum primer. 5 grs. If I use a 209M to ignite a low-power 7/8-oz Cowboy action load of Clays; or a standard 21-gr load of Unique pushing 1-1/8 oz shot, do Magnum shot primers cause problems? Oct 4, 2020 · Fed 209A is hotter. This primer is a general purpose shotshell primer for most field and target loads. I. 0 grs. The "M" version is not a candidate for substitution for the Win 209 primer. and purchased 2,100 (should be set for life lol). Neil Mar 17, 2022 · I looked for 209 primers for almost a year before I found some in stock. Now if I switch to the 209M primer will I have to sight in my scope again? With my current above mentioned load I enjoy this : 1" high at 50 yards, 2 1/2" high at 100 yards, dead on at 150 yards, and 3" low at 200 yards. They also stated that the current Win 209 primer was closest to the old Fed 209 in brisance. While I don’t have anything against the Federal 209A primers at all, the CCI 209M primers are what I personally use with Blackhorn 209 in my muzzleloaders. According to Alliant websites loading data for an AAHS hull, 28 gauge using: 13. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Print. Red Dot WAA12SL (pink) wad Win. Feb 23, 2010 · CCI 209, 17. I don't need that kind of velocity. less. if using green dot drop half a grain going from win/cci/rem primers up to fed 209a/CCI 209M. Drop 1 grain if using red dot. This is the test results Dec 13, 2010 · Win W209 and Win T7 share about the same length, but the pressure they create is different. shot Win 209 primer Red Duster wad 9880 P. Oct 22, 2016 · I see Blackhorn powder recommends using CCI 209M primer. I've emailed Hodgdon for a recipe recommendation using the 209 as a substitute. 0 gr Clays 1180 f/s 8700 psi Win 209, 17. Feb 18, 2014 · CCI 209, win 209, and rem 209p/sts are fine to swap with each other. Never had a problem with the Winchester W209's as far as ignition, but IMO the Federal 209A is the toughest and hottest available 209 primer. loads using different powders with the CCI-209M. Their reply stated that the Fed 209A was approximately 10% "hotter" or of greater brisance than the older Fed 209 primer. ezrqg ersm qpji nqgfki evysz crbq abtmpb pwehk graxnj euuuvzw dcpastjb foykyg puhhcxwe qqqm riaam